Violence against men

LOL, Kim, okay, just thought l'd state my opinion on that one just in case. :) And l've got other greener things to stick in my pipe, heheh.

Kim,
>No and no.

Okay. Fair enough. But then why won't you condemn Ruben's daughter for kicking the shit out of someone?

And, I apologize for neglecting to answer your question when I insisted that you answer mine. If someone disrespected my mother, I _might_ show them some disrespect too.

-Adam

Kim,
> I should get a t-shirt made that reads "Kicking boys in the nuts since 1980."

It's not a question whether or not you actually assault men. I'm talking about you being hateful. And stop your childish attacks against me.

The entire punch line of your "joke" seems to be "Violence against men. Hahaha." What is funny about that? You are condoning and glorifying violence by women against men. And I don't find that acceptable.

It is no different than me saying that I should get a t-shirt that boasts, "beating the shit out of girls since 1980." Kim, you comment was just plain hateful against men.

Ali,
>> "Kicking boys in the nuts since 1980."
> But nobody here has really jumped up and been like "Violence towards men! Yay!" either.

Tell me if I'm wrong (seriously, am I misjudging this?), but it seems to me that Kim's t-shirt slogan comes pretty close to "Violence towards men. Yay!"

> At what point did anyone say [violence by women against men] was accepted or okay?

We've talked about Kim. Now let's talk about Ruben. He proudly told us that his child beat the shit out of another human being... because that person showed some disrespect.

In this case, it was actual violence, but no one even questioned it because it was an act of violence by a woman against a man. No one said that it was okay, but the silence seemed to indicate that.

> You know, l'm getting REALLY fucking tired of being lumped into all your assumptive generalizations. Please quit doing it, mmmkay?

Apologies to you Ali. You are a rare exception who provides well thought-out balanced opinions. But, you are a rare exception.

>> "Or... can women do no wrong? "
> And that's just nasty and unfounded. Please quit projecting whatever bitterness you have towards women on us.

To put the question back into context - Is violence wrong, whether it is perpetrated by a man, or by a woman -- or (sarcastically) can women do no wrong?

I have _no_ bitterness towards women. But, I do have some bitterness towards _this tribe_ as a whole.

To sum things up so far (and this seems pretty typical for this tribe).... You and I have said that violence is wrong. Ruben with the violent daughter thinks that he's too good to talk to me. Ferrous and Dani accuse me of nonsense rather than contributing anything useful. And, Kim and Sonia tell us that violence by women against men is funny.

-Adam

I would believe more in your argument if there were a difference between men and women in "contemporary history" - that is, history that's being made right now - things that we can see for ourselves.

But I think just as many women as men voted for Bush, support the war, participate in the culture, enjoy the spoils,etc.

I was in a somewhat redneck-ish bar once and said I wouldn't go to the gulf war if they brought back the draft, and it was the women who were the most pissed off, calling me a "pussy" and so forth.

These things, along with your clamoring for Adam's balls, lead me to believe that there is no inherently male or female viewpoint.

<<>it read to me like you DID have a say on what a guy, random or otherwise, would have as a POV.<

i think they call those 'history books'.<<<

thank you!~ right outta my mouth.

It's not what I set up; it's what the majority set up. Still don't know what you are getting at about me though. Why not just state it: "Dani it sounds like you hate heterosexual males" or whatever it is you are wondering about. My point was that Adam's view appears to me, to be hugely self centered.

My thinking goes something like this:

The masculine heterosexual view of history has for centuries left out whole minority and feminine populations as not important to history.

Feminists (male and female) pointed that out roughly about the 1960's and beyond.

Males like Adam are using that argument to bring it back full circle:

What about YOU? What about ME? <-- his argument.

Well "her" argument was...hey it's about time I get some attention. Adam's argument is...wait, what about attention to ME?

Not unlike that pity I dated who, after insulting me and I mentioned it; and all he could ask was...well did you ever think how it felt me to hurt you?